MEETING
OF THE
FLORIDA BUILDING
COMMISSION
PLENARY SESSION
MINUTES
OCTOBER
11, 2011
PENDING
APPROVAL
The
meeting of the Florida Building Commission was called to order by Chairman Raul
Rodriguez at 10:00a.m., Tuesday, October 11, 2011, at the Hilton Hotel, Daytona
Beach, Florida.
COMMISSIONERS PRESENT:
Raul
L. Rodriguez, AIA, Chairman
Richard S. Browdy, Vice-Chairman
Jeffrey Gross
Angel ”Kiko” Franco
Jeff Stone
James R. Schock
Herminio F. Gonzalez
Robert G. Boyer
Hamid R. Bahadori
Christopher P. Schulte
Mark C. Turner
Scott Mollan
Jonathon D. Hamrick
Kenneth L. Gregory
Joseph “Ed” Carson
Raphael R. Palacios
John “Tim” Tolbert
Nicholas W. Nicholson
Dale T. Greiner
John J. Scherer
COMMISSIONERS ABSENT:
Drew M. Smith
Donald A. Dawkins
OTHERS PRESENT:
Rick Dixon, FBC Executive Director
Leslie Anderson Adams,
DBPR Legal Advisor
Jeff Blair, FCRC Consensus
Solutions
Ila Jones, Program
Adminstrator
Mo Madani, Technical Svcs.
Manager
WELCOME
Chairman
Rodriguez welcomed the Commission, staff and the public to Daytona Beach and
the October 2011 plenary session of the Florida Building Commission. He explained that the primary focus of the
October meeting was to decide on regular procedural issues including product
and entity approvals, applications for accreditor and course approvals,
petitions for declaratory statements, accessibility waivers, and
recommendations from the various committees.
Chairman
Rodriguez stated if anyone wished to address the Commission on any of the
issues brought before the Commission, they should sign-in on the appropriate
sheet(s). He then stated the Commission,
as always, would provide an opportunity for public comment on each of the
Commission’s substantive discussion topics. He further stated if anyone wishes
to comment on a specific substantive Commission agenda item, they should come to
the speaker’s table at the appropriate time so the Commission knows they wish
to speak. He concluded by stating public input was welcome, and should be
offered before there was a formal motion on the floor.
Chairman Rodriguez then conducted a roll-call of the Commission
members.
REVIEW
AND APPROVE AGENDA
Mr. Blair conducted a review of the
meeting agenda as presented in each Commissioner’s files.
Mr. Blair sated there would not be an
Energy TAC report as the Energy TAC did not meet as planned.
Commissioner
Nicholson moved approval of the meeting agenda as amended. Commissioner Carson entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion as amended was unanimous. Motion carried.
REVIEW AND APPROVE AUGUST 9, 2011 COMMISSION
MEETING MINUTES AND FACILITATOR’S REPORT
Chairman
Rodriguez called for approval of the minutes and Facilitator’s Report from the August
9, 2011 Commission meeting.
Commissioner
Nicholson moved approval of the minutes and Facilitator’s Report from the August
9, 2011 Commission meeting. Commissioner
Carson entered a second to the motion.
Vote to approve the motion was unanimous. Motion carried.
CHAIR’S
DISCUSSION ISSUES AND RECOMMENDATIONS
Appointments
to TACs and Workgroups
Building Code System Assessment Ad Hoc
Committee
Chairman Rodriguez stated Hamid Bahadori and John Scherer
were appointed to the Building Code and Assessment Ad Hoc Committee to replace
Jim Goodloe and Randy Vann.
Committees and TAC
Chairman Rodriguez stated Jim Goodloe had rolled-off of
the Fire TAC (chair) and Special Occupancy TAC, and Randy Vann had rolled-off
of the Plumbing TAC (chair), Code Administration and Accessibility TACs as a
result of resigning from the Commission.
He appointed Hamid Bahadori as chair of the Fire TAC to replace Jim
Goodloe, and Mark Turner was appointed to replace Randy Vann as chair on the
Code Administration TAC.
Chairmen
Rodriguez stated once the Commission receives a new Plumbing Contractor
appointee they will be appointed to the Plumbing and Accessibility TACs, and
the new State Insurance Representative (Department of Financial Services) would
be appointed to the Fire and Special Occupancy TACs.
ICC Major Jurisdiction Committee
Chairman
Rodriguez stated the International Code Council has offered the Commission a position
on its committee that deals with issues of major jurisdictions. He further
stated if the Commission decided to increase direct participation in the ICC, Dick
Browdy (if he accepts the appointment) would be designated to represent the
Commission on the ICC Major Jurisdiction Committee. He stated ICC participation
would be a component of the analysis done by the 2013 Florida Building Code
Update Process Ad Hoc committee.
Threshold Building Renovations Workgroup
Chairman Rodriguez stated at the August meeting Commissioner
Schock reported the Board of Professional Engineers was seeking Commission
input regarding threshold building requirements for renovations and he was
recommending the Commission appoint a workgroup to address the issue. He then
stated in response to the FBPE request a Threshold
Building Renovations Workgroup was being appointed. Following are the
appointments to date:
David Charland, PE FBPE (Structural
Board member),
Jim Schock, PE Commission Structural
TAC Chair
Nick Nicholson, PE Commission
Structural TAC
Dan Lavrich, PE Commission Structural
TAC
Craig Parrino, PE Commission
Structural TAC
Do Kim, PE Commission Structural TAC
Jaime Gascon, PE Commission Structural
TAC
2013 Florida Building Code Update Process
Chairman
Rodriguez stated the 2012 International Codes are now available and there have
been changes to Florida law governing how the Commission goes about the FBC
update process. He then stated the Florida Building Code System Assessment
Project had also provided significant feedback on the process regarding what
worked well and what people thought needed improvement. He further stated the plan was to convene an
ad hoc committee of commissioners to review the changes and inputs working with
staff to map out the process for the 2013 FBC update. He stated the committee
would meet at an upcoming meeting to develop a plan so participants in the
Florida Building Code could be notified in early 2012 and the proceedings would
start later in the year.
He then
stated the following commissioners were appointed to the 2013 Florida Building Code
Update Process Ad Hoc:
Raul
Rodriguez (Chair), Dick Browdy, Jon Hamrick, Herminio Gonzalez, Dale Greiner, Mark
Turner, Rafael Palacios, Jim Schock, Hamid Bahadori, Chris Schulte, Jeff Gross,
Tim Tolbert, and John Scherer.
Appreciation
for Jim Richmond
Chairman
Rodriguez stated Jim Richmond had decided to take a position with the new
Department of Economic Opportunity and would no longer serve as the
Commission’s attorney. He then stated Mr. Richmond had served professionally and
with excellence and had been a critical member of the Commission team and would
be missed. He further stated Mr. Richmond had been with the Commission since
its very early days and leaves a major imprint on its policies and procedures, especially
on its legislative activism. He continued by stating Mr. Richmond had served
the Commission well as the Commission’s lobbyist and representative with
Legislators.
Chairman
Rodriguez, on behalf of the Commission, wished Mr. Richmond good luck in his
new role and trusts he would serve the new Agency as well as he served the
Commission. He presented a plaque to Mr. Richmond as a token of the
Commission’s appreciation.
Mr.
Richmond stated it had been an outstanding 11-12 years. He then stated if he took the time to thank
all of the commissioners, staff members, and constituents who have faithfully
served for their contribution to Florida and the significant work accomplished
through all of their efforts, he could easily triple the time the meeting
should take. He thanked the Commission
and stated it had been an outstanding way to spend a significant portion of his
legal career i.e. doing important work which will have lasting impact on the
state. He stated there were personal as well as professional, successes for him
with the formation of his family. He
concluded by stating the experience had been a big part of his life and thanked
everyone for the opportunity.
Chairman
Rodriguez welcomed Leslie Anderson-Adams as the Commission’s new attorney.
Certification of Florida Building Code Rule
Chairman
Rodriguez stated in order to comply with an October 1, 2011 deadline he certified
to JAPC the Commission should be exempt from a newly created Legislative review
of the Rule similar to that required by the Governor and based on its
cooperation with the Governor’s Office of Fiscal Accountability and Regulatory Reform
in its review of the Rule. He further stated the certification would allow the
Commission to avoid the additional review and to maintain the code
implementation date as March 15, 2012, as planned.
Letter to Citizens Insurance
Chairman Rodriguez stated the Commission voted at the
August meeting to send another letter to Citizens Insurance inquiring about the
status of its establishment of a policy regarding aluminum branch wiring in
older homes. He further stated conformance with the Commission’s decision the
Chair sent a letter, which Commissioners were copied, but to date the
Commission has received no reply from Citizens.
UPDATE OF THE COMMISSION WORKPLAN
Mr. Dixon
conducted a review of the updated Commission work plan. (See Updated Commission Work plan October
1, 2011).
Report to the Legislature
Mr. Dixon
stated the Legislature would be meeting two months early this year, therefore
the schedule for development of the Report to the Legislature had been moved
forward. He stated discussion and
recommendations would be heard at the October meeting; the report would be
finalized for the December meeting and hopefully be submitted to the
Legislature by the end of December, however, with holidays it would be more
likely January.
Triennial Assessment
Mr. Dixon
stated the report to the Legislature would include significant recommendations from
the Triennial Assessment. He then stated
staff’s recommendation to the Commission was to not pursue legislative changes
for those recommendations during the 2012 legislative session but to defer any
legislative changes until the 2013 Legislative session.
Mr. Dixon
stated the Commission was moving into DBPR and it would be operating under a
different paradigm of how the its issues would be lobbied at Legislature. He then stated the processes would be developed
and put in place over the next year. He
continued by stating because of the Legislature’s major task of reapportionment,
staff did not believe it was a good time to pursue a lot of Building Code
legislation.
Wind Standards for Asphalt Shingles
Mr. Dixon
stated the Commission had participated in a federal research project over the
past two years and the report from that project was coming in the fall. He then stated before the implementation of
the 2013 Code the workgroup will review the results of the research and
determine whether or not any potential changes were warranted to the
requirements of the Code for asphalt shingles.
He further stated if there was any merit for changes in what was in the
code currently, determine what those might be and will recommend them to the
Commission.
Threshold Building Inspection Law
Mr. Dixon
stated at the last Commission meeting Commissioner Schock had requested a
committee be appointed to investigate the application of the Threshold Building Inspection Law in
existing buildings and how the law should be implemented, if at all, in
structural repairs or alterations to threshold buildings. He then stated the committee was appointed at
the October meeting and would begin its work at the December Commission
meeting. He further stated it would be a joint effort between the Board of
Professional Engineers and potentially other representatives form that
community to be appointed to the committee as the process moves forward.
Hinged Entry Doors
Mr. Dixon
stated that for the last 6-9 months representatives of the door industry asked
the Commission to convene a group to review hurricane protection standards for
their products, hinge entry doors. He
then stated the Commission had reviewed the issue a number of years ago. He further stated there had been some
evolution in that industry with a national association for those door
manufacturers want to have the Commission review the standards in the code for
their products to determine whether those should updated or not for hurricane
protection. He stated a group would be
appointed in the future and its work will be started in 2012.
2013 Florida Building Code Development
Mr. Dixon
stated the major task on the workplan was the development of the 2013 Building
Code. He then stated there was not a
specific schedule with target dates or milestones, but a plan for how the
process will go. He further stated the
committee appointed at the October meeting would review a schedule proposed by
Mr. Madani then determine and set dates for getting the information to the
public, as well as advise the public on the changes in the process. He continued by stating there were two
primary changes in the law that will alter the approach taken to update the
code: 1) The 6-month delay time between the printing and availability of the
base codes, (2012 I Codes), before the Commission could select those the I
Codes was eliminated from law. He then
stated the Commission could theoretically select those codes at this point
because ICC has those available to the public.
2) All Florida specific amendments that have not been addressed by some
change between the 2009 and 2012 I Codes that would have automatically rolled
forward into the 2013 Code will sunset unless someone proposes them and they
are readopted into the 2013 Code. He
stated the significance of that change was some of the Florida specific
amendments will go away. He then stated what it does for the process was rather
than staff having to go through the new edition of an I Code to determine where
the Florida specific amendments already adopted were and fitting them into
those locations, i.e. basically rewriting the document so the public would then
have a single document to make their proposals to; the staff will only have to
look at what the Legislature directed be put into the Florida Building Code and
how do the Commission’s initiatives, Hurricane Protection Initiatives, for
instance, and research that have resulted in code changes of Florida specific
requirements would have to be evaluated by staff for integration into the 2012
codes. He further stated it would
greatly reduce the work effort on the front end and puts the workload back on
those parties and industries that have Florida amendments that may want to
re-propose them for future editions. He
continued by stating it also allowed the Commission to be more efficient in its
process to get the 2013 Code out.
Commissioner
Greiner asked if the March 14th date worked with the Fire Code for
availability at the same time. He stated
he thought the Fire Code deadline was in January.
Mr. Dixon
stated by having the building code completed one year sooner than in the past
the Fire Code deadline would be met.
Commissioner
Greiner asked if there would be a way for the TACs to distinguish between a
normal code change proposal and one which incorporates a past Florida specific
item.
Mr. Dixon
responded the Ad Hoc committee would determine if a proposer would be required
identify if it was a repeat of a prior proposal that could be done.
Mr. Blair
stated the Ad Hoc would consider the issue during its process and make that
determination.
Commissioner
Hamrick asked if there was an exception in the Florida specific amendments for
state agency rules from being sunsetted.
Mr. Dixon
responded stating he believed the Commission would determine if there would be
an exception. He then stated those items should be called out and treated a
little differently. He further stated
being Florida specific amendments they would have to be proposed. He then stated staff could end up working
with the agencies to ensure they are proposed to the right place. He continued by stating the items written
into law, directed by the Legislature, CO detectors or pool entrapment, for
example, would have to be managed by the Commission staff to make sure they are
included into the 2013 Code. He stated
the issues the Commission had initiatives for would have to be re-proposed to
go back into the Code and would be the responsibility of the Commission and
staff, not members of the public. He
further stated the state agency rules which needed to be included in the Code
could be worked in conjunction with staff if the Commission preferred.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the updated workplan. Commissioner Nicholson entered a second to the
motion.
Commissioner
Stone asked for clarification of the motion.
Mr. Blair
stated the motion was for the approval of the workplan. He then stated the schedule would be
determined by the Ad Hoc and brought back to the Commission for approval.
Chairman
Rodriguez stated the motion was to approve the updated workplan. He then stated the meeting schedule had not
been set yet.
Vote to
approve the motion was unanimous. Motion
carried.
Mr. Dixon
stated the meeting dates had been set for some time. He then stated there were now meeting
locations to accompany those dates in 2012.
He further stated there would be two meetings in Gainesville, two
meetings in Daytona, and two meetings on the west coast in the Tampa bay
area. He continued by stating the first
meeting of 2012 would be at the Tradewinds Hotel in St Pete Beach, then back to
the normal venues the Embassy Suites in Tampa, the Hilton Hotel in Gainesville,
and the Hilton Hotel for the Daytona Beach meetings. He asked for any negative feedback on the
Hilton Hotel in Daytona Beach before contracts were signed. He further stated the fee structure was good
for the Commission, there was adequate meeting space and appeared to be
recently refurnished. He stated
contracts would be signed at the close of the October meeting if there were no
negative comments.
CONSIDER ACCESSIBILITY WAIVER
APPLICATIONS
Chairman Rodriguez directed the
Commission to Leslie Anderson-Adams for consideration of the Accessibility
Waiver Applications.
Recommended
for Deferral:
#
1 Sherbrooke Apartments, Inc.
Ms. Adams explained the petitioner’s
request for waiver as it was described in each Commissioner’s files. She stated the council recommended deferral
to allow for further research.
Commissioner
Greiner moved approval of the Council’s recommendation for deferral. Commissioner Carson entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
#3 Boys and Girls Club of Palm Beach
Ms. Adams
explained the petitioner’s request for waiver as it was described in each
Commissioner’s files. She stated the council unanimously recommended for
deferral to allow the applicant to provide more detailed information.
Commissioner
Nicholson moved approval of the Council’s recommendation for deferral. Commissioner Gregory entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
Recommendation for Approval:
#2 Ocean Breeze Hotel
Ms. Adams explained the petitioner’s
request for waiver as it was described in each Commissioner’s files. She stated
the council unanimously recommended approval for economic hardship due to
disproportionate cost.
Commissioner
Nicholson moved approval of the Council’s recommendation. Commissioner Carson entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
#4 Vita Restaurant
Ms. Adams explained the petitioner’s
request for waiver as it was described in each Commissioner’s files. She stated
the council unanimously recommended approval due to disproportionate cost.
Commissioner
Nicholson moved approval of the Council’s recommendation. Commissioner Gregory entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
#5 Frank Entertainment Delray Marketplace
Ms. Adams explained the petitioner’s
request for waiver as it was described in each Commissioner’s files. She stated
the council unanimously recommended approval due to technical
infeasibility. She then stated she
believed the Council’s intention was it was based on unreasonable hardship
because the applicant had provided a number of accessible seating options from
different viewing angles.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the Council’s recommendation. Commissioner Greiner entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
#6 iPic Entertainment
Ms. Adams explained the petitioner’s
request for waiver as it was described in each Commissioner’s files. She stated
the council unanimously recommended approval based on unreasonable hardship due
to technical infeasibility.
Commissioner
Nicholson moved approval of the Council’s recommendation. Commissioner Carson entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
CONSIDER APPLICATIONS FOR PRODUCT AND ENTITY APPROVAL
Chairman Rodriguez directed the
Commission to Commissioner Carson for presentation of entity approvals.
Commissioner Carson stated the
following 15 entities were recommended for approval by the POC:
CER3471 - PFS Corporation
QUA1963
- Timber Products Inspection, Inc.
QUA3214 - CEL Consulting
QUA3726 – Pyramid 1, Inc.
QUA6128
– Ramtech Laboratories, Inc.
TST1657
- Fenestration Testing Lab
TST2542
- Terrapin Testing
TST2613 -
Stork- Twin City Testing Wisconsin
TST3619 -
Applied Research Laboratories
TST3782 -
American Test Lab of South Florida Inc.
TST4310 –
Architectural Testing, Inc. - Washington
TST8039 - Quast Consulting and Testing Inc.
VAL1665 -
PSI/Pittsburgh Testing Laboratory
VAL4121 -
PFS Corporation
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner Nicholson entered a second to
the motion. Vote to approve the motion
was unanimous. Motion carried.
Mr. Blair stated there was a consent
agenda for all those issues that were posted with the same result from all four
compliance methods either for approval, conditional approval or deferral. These
were the ones without comment or there was no change to the recommendation as
proposed presented. He stated if no
commissioner wished to pull any if the products for individual consideration he
asked for a motion to approve the consent agenda for all four compliance
methods for approval, conditional approval and deferral.
Commissioner Browdy entered a motion
to approve the consent agenda as amended for all four compliance methods for
approvals, conditional approvals and deferrals.
Commissioner Nicholson entered a second to the motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
Mr. Blair presented the
following products for consideration individually:
6481-R1
Insulspan Incorporated
Mr.
Blair stated the product was recommended for approval.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner Nicholson entered a second to
the motion. Vote to approve the motion
was unanimous. Motion carried.
14829
- Insulspan Incorporated
Mr.
Blair stated the product was recommended for conditional approval.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner Nicholson entered a second to
the motion. Vote to approve the motion
was unanimous. Motion carried.
14171
– R1 Norse Inc.
Mr.
Blair stated the product was recommended for denial.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner Nicholson entered a second to
the motion. Vote to approve the motion
was unanimous. Motion carried.
13468
Quick Tie Products, Inc.
Mr. Blair
stated the product was recommended for conditional approval with the condition
the applicant provides to administrator reports referred on Section 6.2 of
evaluation report to verify data, have evaluator indicate compliance with ASCE
19, change application to Method 1 and indicate ASCE 19 on the standards and remove
"breaking strength from product description on application" and indicate
a term in accordance with design.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner Nicholson entered a second to
the motion. Vote to approve the motion
was unanimous. Motion carried.
14811
Norwood Windows
Mr. Blair
stated the product was recommended for conditional approval with the condition the applicant provide in General Notes
the wood species and method of protection to comply with Sect. 2326.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner Nicholson entered a second to
the motion. Vote to approve the motion
was unanimous. Motion carried.
14815
Norwood Windows
Mr.
Blair stated the product was recommended for conditional approval with the
condition the applicant provide in General Notes the wood species and method of
protection to comply with Sect. 2326.
14817
Norwood Windows
Mr.
Blair stated the product was recommended for conditional approval with the
condition the applicant provide in General Notes the wood species and method of
protection to comply with Sect. 2326.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner Nicholson entered a second to
the motion. Vote to approve the motion
was unanimous. Motion carried.
14832
Simpson Strong-Tie
Mr.
Blair stated the product was recommended for conditional approval with the
condition the applicant remove from "sections of the code" on
application the reference to Sect. 1707.1
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner Nicholson entered a second to
the motion. Vote to approve the motion
was unanimous. Motion carried.
CONSIDER APPLICATIONS FOR ACCREDITOR AND COURSE APPROVAL
Accreditor Approvals:
Commissioner
Browdy stated there were no accreditor approvals.
Course Deferrals:
Advanced Building Code Structural
Summary, BCIS Course#478.0
Florida Advanced Building Code, BCIS
Course#479.0
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner Greiner entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
Course Approvals:
Advanced Building Code
Plumbing-Section F, BCIS Course#466.0
Advanced 2010 FBC Significant Code
Changes, BCIS Course#474.0
Advanced 2010 FBC Significant Code
Changes – Online, BCIS Course#477.0
FBC Advanced Module: 2010 Updates,
BCIS Course#480.0
FBC Advanced Module Energy Efficiency
Regulations For Pools and Spas, BCIS Course#481.0
Advanced (ADV) Field Marking
Electrical Equipment, Internet, BCIS Course#484.0
An Overview of the 2010 Florida
Building Code, Building Volume, BCIS Course#488.0 An Overview of the 2010
Florida Building Code, Building Volume – Live Seminar, BCIS Course#489.0
Advanced Florida Accessibility Code – Application
and Administration, BCIS Course#487.0
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner Greiner entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
Administratively
Approved Courses:
Florida Building Code Advanced
Training: Residential, BCIS Course#220.2
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner Greiner entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
Courses approved based on the FBC
accreditation process that only verifies the accuracy of the Florida Building
Code related content.
Commissioner
Carson moved approval of the POC recommendation. Commissioner Greiner entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
CONSIDER LEGAL ISSUES AND PETITIONS FOR DECLARATORY
STATEMENT: BINDING INTERPRETATIONS: REPORTS ONLY
DECLARATORY STATEMENTS:
Binding Interpretations:
None
Revocations:
None
Declaratory
Statements:
Second Hearings:
None
First Hearings:
None
CONSIDER OTHER LEGAL ISSUES
None
CONSIDER COMMITTEE REPORTS AND
RECOMMENDATIONS:
Accessibility Code Workgroup
Mr. Blair presented the report from
Workshop III. (See Accessibility Code
Workgroup October 10, 2011.)
Commissioner Nicholson moved approval
to accept the report. Commissioner
Carson entered a second to the motion.
Vote to approve the motion was unanimous. Motion carried.
Budget
Committee
Chairman Rodriguez stated Ms. Ila Jones
was present if would like to add any comments. He then stated with expected
expenses and revenues the Commission would be ending the year, conservatively
speaking, with a surplus. He further
stated there was a surplus at present of roughly $170,000.00 and it was
expected to increase to $300,000.00.
Commissioner Nicholson moved approval
to accept the report. Commissioner
Carson entered a second to the motion.
Vote to approve the motion was unanimous. Motion carried.
Building
Code System Assessment Workshop III
Mr. Blair presented the report of the
Building Code System Assessment Workshop. (See Building Code System Assessment Report to the Commission, August 8,
2011, Workshop III).
Commissioner Nicholson moved approval
to accept the report. Commissioner
Carson entered a second to the motion.
Vote to approve the motion was unanimous. Motion carried.
Building
Code Assessment Ad Hoc Committee
Mr. Blair presented the report of the
Building Code Assessment Ad Hoc Committee.
Mr. Blair
stated the motion needed was for approval of adoption of the package of
consensus stakeholder recommendations in concept, including staff’s comments,
to be evaluated/analyzed in the context of fiscal, economic/financial,
technical, and life-safety criteria, with recommendations meeting the criteria
evaluated and developed in consultation with stakeholders for consideration by
the Commission for implementation and/or submittal to the 2013 Legislature. (Please see the Facilitator’s Report, Attachment XII for a list of the concept
recommendations
Commissioner
Nicholson moved approval of the motion as stated. Commissioner Carson entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
Commissioner Nicholson moved approval
to accept the report. Commissioner
Greiner entered a second to the motion.
Vote to approve the motion was unanimous. Motion carried.
Education
POC
Commissioner Browdy presented the
report of the Education POC. (See Education
POC Teleconference Meeting Minutes September 27, 2011.)
Commissioner Greiner moved approval to
accept the report. Commissioner
Nicholson entered a second to the motion.
Vote to approve the motion was unanimous. Motion carried.
Product
Approval POC
Commissioner
Carson presented the report of the Product Approval POC. (See Product
Approval/Manufactured Buildings POC Teleconference Meeting Minutes September 29,
2011.)
Actions:
Commissioner
Carson moved to charge DBPR legal staff with initiating revocation proceedings
for product applications: FL12427, Parex USA, Inc., and FL14171, Norse, Inc. as
products falling outside of the scope of Rule 9N-3, Product Approval.
Commissioner Nicholson entered a second to the motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
Commissioner Nicholson moved approval
to accept the report. Commissioner Gross
entered a second to the motion. Vote to
approve the motion was unanimous. Motion
carried.
Swimming
Pool Pump Energy Efficiency Workshop
Mr. Blair presented the report from
the Swimming Pool Pump Energy Efficiency Workshop. (See Swimming Pool Pump Efficiency Workshop Meeting Minutes October 10, 2011.)
Commissioner Nicholson moved approval
to accept the report. Commissioner
Greiner entered a second to the motion.
Vote to approve the motion was unanimous. Motion carried.
DRAFT
SUMMARY OF ISSUES AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR REPORT TO 2012 LEGISLATURE
Chairman Rodriguez
stated the Florida Legislature is meeting two months early for the 2012
Legislative Session (January/February 2012). He then stated as a result the
Commission is required to submit the Report to the Legislature immediately
after the December 2011 meeting. He further stated in order to meet this
schedule the he had asked Mr. Blair to prepare a Draft Summary of Issues and Recommendations
allowing the Commission to meet the submittal deadline. He continued by stating
Mr. Blair reviewed the issues and recommendations with the Commission and
answered member’s questions and following public comment and discussion the chairman
asked for a motion to adopt the Draft Summary of Issues and Recommendations for
inclusion in the Commission’s 2012 Report to the Legislature. He stated the
Commission would adopt final Recommendations at the December 2011 meeting and
charge the chairman with reviewing and approving the final Report prior to
submittal to the 2012 Legislature.
Mr.
Blair then conducted an overview of the Executive Summary and Recommendations
section of the Report. (See the Facilitator’s Summary of Issues and
Recommendations for Inclusion in the report to the 2012 Florida Legislature for
the complete document.)
Commissioner
Franco moved to adopt the Draft Summary of Issues and
Recommendations for inclusion in the
Commission’s 2012 Report to the Legislature as presented/posted. Commissioner Greiner entered a second to the
motion. Vote to approve the motion was
unanimous. Motion carried.
ENERGY CODE COMPUTER PROGRAMS
AUTHORIZATION PROCESS
Chairman
Rodriguez stated one of the
decisions made by the Commission during development of the 2010 Code was
additional computer programs would be recognized for demonstrating compliance
with the Energy Code by the performance compliance methodology. He then stated
historically the State had provided a computerized tool for demonstrating compliance
and the approach had provided for quality control of the tools. He further
stated by opening the door to tools not under control of the State the
Commission created the need for some external means of quality assurance for
these tools. He continued by stating the Commission does not have the resources
or expertise to evaluate computer programs, therefore in an effort to provide
some minimal means of oversight the Commission had developed a technical
assistance manual for computer tool vendors to use in a self-certification
process. He stated Mr. Madani would
provide the Commission with a brief overview of how the process would work and
answered member’s questions, following questions and answers, public comment,
and Commission discussion, the Commission took the following action:
Mr.
Madani stated the process began in May 2010.
He then stated a contractor, JM JADU Corp in Jacksonville, was selected to
put together the Technical Assistance Manual.
He stated on July 26, 2011 the first meeting of a workgroup consisting
of stakeholders who would be impacted including vendors, builders, engineers,
contractors, etc. He then stated at the
initial meeting there was an agreement on the foundation and how the manual
would be put together. He further stated
the draft of the agreement was sent out for comments and some had been
received. He stated a second meeting by
teleconference call was scheduled for October 17, 2011 in hopes to finalize a
draft which could be available to vendors can use to come to the Commission to
get their tools approved. He continued by stating the workgroup requested the
Commission authorize the staff to make the draft available to the vendors to
utilize as a base for submitting tools for approval. He stated the draft, TAM (Technical Assistance Manual), was not intended to be used as a
requirement, but as a guideline to assist them with the steps necessary to get
their tools approved. He further stated
if anyone had an idea for a better way, their ideas were welcome, subject to
approval of the Commission.
Chairman
Rodriguez asked Mr. Madani to clarify the motion.
Mr.
Madani stated the motion was to allow staff to allow the vendors to use the
manual as a tool for assistance in obtaining approval.
Commissioner
Greiner stated with the understanding anyone could provide the software; the
workgroup would like to put the draft in place as a guideline to those people
who would provide the software.
Commissioner
Greiner moved the Commission authorize staff to implement the draft technical
assistance manual (Energy Simulation Tool Technical Assistance Manual) for
computer tool vendors to use in a self-certification process for demonstrating
compliance with the Florida Energy Code.
Commissioner Franco entered a second to the motion.
Arlene Stewart, ARS Consulting
Ms. Stewart
stated she questioned the title “draft” because she did not believe any
software company would want to develop a software until the draft was
finalized. She then stated if software
was developed based on a draft it was likely to change. She continued by
stating if there was a short timeline the fact there was a guideline not a
draft needed to be clearer in terms of the text of the draft. She further stated the workgroup had not
signed off on the draft at present. She
asked if it was the intention of the Commission that only the performance
calculation methodology would be subject or would the UA methodology
calculations be subject. She then stated
the reason she asked was because the Commission directed staff request from the
Department of Energy to develop a version of REScheck™
the national software. She stated
she had talked with some of the developers of the software and they were not
aware their software had to be submitted to these criteria, which becomes a bit
of a bump in the road and if a UA was required in the process it had not been
included.
Chairman
Rodriguez stated her argument was taking the word “draft” out, but she also she
stated she recognized it had not been before the workgroup. He asked her which she was asking for.
Ms. Stewart
responded stating she was not sure what the pleasure of the group was.
Chairman
Rodriguez asked if she would object to the word “draft” being removed before it
went to the workgroup.
Ms. Stewart
stated she would object to that, but did not know the pleasure of the
Commission.
Mr. Blair
stated staff was proposing they be authorized to have the manual available
allowing vendors to use it in the interim.
He then stated the vendors could still work with the workgroup to
finalize any details
Mr. Madani
stated the draft had been published and out for some time. He then stated minimal comments had been
received on the draft. He further stated
the comments that have been received would be heard at the workgroup at the
October 17, 2011 meeting. He continued
by stating the key was getting a tool approved early in the process to allow
designers, builders, and contractors can get their projects going.
Commissioner
Greiner stated the key was the draft does not tell specifically how to get the
approval. He then stated it was a
guideline and it could be done any other way as long as it met the Code.
Mr. Madani
stated the Technical Assistance Manual
(TAM) was for programs using simulation and modelings and those were being
targeted at present. He then stated
other approaches were welcome to come for approval through the Commission as it
has the leverage to review other tools.
Ms. Stewart
requested staff notify the Department of Energy that the guideline exists if
they are submitting a performance based tool, because She stated she was asking for that now
because it has to go through official state channels.
Jack Glenn, President, Florida
Homebuilders Association
Mr. Glenn
stated he was a member of the workgroup and as a member there was only one
concern regarding the draft. He then
stated while the draft was published among the members of the workgroup the
members were not allowed to discuss issues with each other. He further stated it would have its vetting
during the conference call on October 17th. He continued by stating if the Commission was
going to approve it for dissemination at this point he believed it needed to be
very clear it is indeed a draft and vendors should proceed with caution because
it was not guaranteed to be the final product.
Chairman
Rodriguez stated Commissioner Greiner’s motion stated exactly that.
Vote to
approve the motion was unanimous. Motion
carried.
COMMISSION MEMBER COMMENTS AND ISSUES
Commissioner
Schulte asked if the old Commission website had changed with the transition to
the DBPR.
Mr.
Dixon stated the old website could be found by going to
floridabuilding.org. He then stated some
people had accessed the website by using Florida Building Commission, which now
links to a different new agency.
Commissioner
Schulte asked if there had been any updated dialogue with the air conditioner
manufacturers industry regarding the 2010 Code and the windload. He stated the industry had spoken at a
workshop on the windload issue but he had not heard anything since.
Mr.
Dixon stated there had not been direct contact with a request to appear to
present more information about where they stand getting their equipment
approved to wind speed. He then stated
there had been conversations regarding the issue but none formally.
Mr.
Madani stated since the workshop there had been random discussions. He then stated the manufacturers were looking
at each other, waiting to see who would come first. He then stated at present none had been
approved under product approval, although all had been given information on the
process.
Mr.
Dixon stated in schools the units were required to have impact resistance as
well as wind resistance on the EHPAs for a while. He then stated equipment was being selected
and put on buildings supposedly in compliance with the state requirements for
shelters in school buildings. He further
stated there must be some materials or products available which comply but the
entire industry had not jumped on board to have products tested.
Commissioner
Palacios stated equipment submittals are being received with a low ??? windload ……(inaudible). He then stated not everything but he had made
it a point of letting people in Miami-Dade know about it, but not every product
line was doing it.
Commissioner
Hamrick stated, in response to Mr. Dixon’s statement, since 1996 new school
construction had been required to meet and enhance their hurricane protection
requirements which include rooftop air conditioning exhaust fans and anything
else on the roof. He then stated most
have to be protected from impact loads and most solutions have to do with
putting screen walls around the equipment.
He further stated he had run across a manufacturer earlier in the year
that has metal screen mechanism which can go over equipment to meet the
requirements.
Commissioner
Carson thanked the Chairman and staff for getting the letter out to Citizens Insurance
Company with the respect to the aluminum wiring issue. He stated he was displeased at Citizen’s lack
of response. He then stated it was very
frustrating.
Chairman
Rodriguez stated he believed a reminder should be sent i.e. an inquiry to
determine the status.
Commissioner
Greiner stated the chairman had mentioned the ICC had stated it would not be
covering travel expenses for the delegate.
He then stated he believed Commissioner Browdy would be an excellent
person to serve as the delegate. He
asked if it was reasonable for the Commission to consider the travel pay for
the delegate.
Mr.
Dixon stated the “cannot pay: was from the state’s perspective. He then stated the ICC letter indicated there
was some limited capability to pay for some parties’ participation, but there
was no guarantee of any cost coverage by ICC.
He further stated the state has difficulty sending people out of state
to meetings.
Commissioner
Greiner stated the reason he brought the issue forward was because he believed
it was important to have Commission representation at the ICC. He then stated however travel needed to be
handled the Commission should deal with it.
Chairman
Rodriguez stated staff would find out from ICC what they meant by partial. He thanked Commissioner Greiner for bringing
the issue forward. He stated the
Commission would like to see the ICC and the Florida Building Code closer
together and if the Commission has been invited to participate, the financial
aspect should not keep them from it.
Mr.
Blair stated Commissioner Browdy had indicated the meetings the meetings were
being conducted via teleconference therefore travel may not be an issue.
Chairman
Rodriguez asked Commissioner Browdy if the expenses were not an issue if he
would be willing to serve as the delegate to ICC.
Commissioner
Browdy stated he was considering the
appointment but was not ready to make a huge commitment at present.
GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT
Ms. Stewart
asked if staff had to be directed to notify Pacific Northwest Lab of the
existence of the guidelines.
Mr. Blair
stated staff could do that.
Mr.
Madani stated staff would notify Pacific Northwest Lab.
Ms.
Stewart stated she wanted to make sure.
Tony McMahon, ICC
Mr.
McMahon stated there would be several ICC meetings conducted electronically and
the occasion where the committee meets at the annual business meeting. He then stated ICC policy was not to
reimburse funds which could occur in conjunction with the annual meeting. He then stated, at present, the amount would
be minimal.
Commissioner Stone asked if staff
knew when the next set of codes would be available to the commissioners.
Mr. Blair responded by stating the
codes were currently available.
ADJOURN
11:22a.m. adjourned.